We went back to the Toyota place on Sunday morning where we had also spent a better part of our Saturday. The guy would not budge on any prices, whether our trade, the Sienna price nothing! He wouldn't give us a penny more for our trade, would not throw in an option. Plus the best APR he could do was 5.9%, our credit union would give us 5.75%....We would also have to pay $250 for the floor mats, and the "doc stamps" fee was $598. Talk about nickel and diming!
So in a last ditch effort to let him know we were willing to look elsewhere I said "Lets go see what we can find elsewhere."
And this guy said -I kid you not-"I dare you to find a better price. You won't find it. I tell you what, If you find a better deal you better take it, but you won't."
So we said "OK, then we will probably be back later."
When we were getting in to our Van, our salesman came out (salesman tells you about the car, manager does all money things). HE said "so what is the deal?" This guy has been really nice. Taken us for 2 test drives been very helpful and basically did all the work in the SELLING of the vehicle, but the other guy is the one that talks money. We told him we were going up the road to the Honda dealer. He tried to "forewarn" us, they will be more expensive, and they won't budge as much on their price....
I told him, that we never even looked at the Odessey, and that we really should just look to make sure since we never really shopped beyond GM for our current minivan, and are now majorly paying the price.
We went up the road .5 miles to the Honda dealer. I had already looked on line (specifically at this dealer for prices they don't list prices on line) and I ended up looking at Honda's website where they list MSRPs.
Honda vans are very similar. We weren't attached to Toyota so it really didn't matter to us. The MSRP is about the same as the Toyota. They didn't open for another hour so we went out to lunch at Friendly's and fought about it. My husband was just insisting we can get more for our trade. I have already been to the Saturn dealer (where it is no haggle pricing) where they would give me $6000 for the van (on a $24988 vehicle) and Toyota (again no haggle pricing) where he would only give us $5000 (on a $20,988 vehicle). We OWE $11213 on our van. SO After a stressful/bickering -lunch at Friendly's we go to the Honda dealer...Take a test drive, the van really is similar in a lot of ways. They do a few things that are standard in it, like Tinted windows which are important to us that Toyota doesn't doesn't do. Though the Toyota did have a roof rack we wanted -the Honda didn't' have. The insides are a little bit different, different consoles, the seats operate different in the 2nd and 3rd row and honestly we liked how the sienna looked in those departments but we also had spent more time in it, but really does it matter? They both had what we wanted, radio, a/c, rear windows that go down, stow n go seating in third row (wow so much more cargo room than my Saturn), same size engines, cruise control, MPG was the same... I liked the Sienna's color better it was a light metallic green, and the Honda was silver-but as long at it isn't white or black I was good. The Honda has a lot more cubby holes. And this really cool cubby hole in the floor between the front and second row of seats, FLOOR MATS INCLUDED, and doc stamps were $399. Also included in the Odessey are daytime running lamps, and security system (all things that discount your insurance). Honda does NOT have no haggle pricing. We drive the Honda. We go inside....
He takes our info and says "I guess you won't tell me what the other place gave you for trade?" uumm, no! And something else he did say "I am probably not going to be able to match their prices, because our vans are better."
Yeah and at Toyota they can give me 20 reasons why theirs are better too. HOWEVER I will say, I did already know that the Honda rated better in the Insurance institutes crash test, Honda was actually #1 in the mini van class, followed by KIA! Not Toyota...Translated-cheaper insurance rates. Anyway he comes back....Here is the FIRST deal he makes -$7000 for our van, $1000 down, FULL MSRP for the minivan that makes it $575 a month. I was honestly surprised about the $7000 for our van. That is quite a bit, since even Kelly blue book says $6000 something for our van since it is only in FAIR condition (a lot of scratches on passangers side on the ENTIRE length of the van! stains inside, AC button broke, crack in windshield, the 2 back seats- the plastic guards are broken/missing, and 71000 miles on a 2005).
Then my husband says "well we owe $11213 on our van so I would like to meet in the middle on that one and we will not be putting a down payment on it, and I needed my monthly payments to be lower."
The guys says "Ok, well how good is your credit?" Which my husband told him it was pretty good. So he says "Well I can probably do 2.9% financing, and that will get your monthly payments a lot lower." And he did get them down to $540 a month. The Toyota dealer, using our financing was only at $555.
We go back out to the van to look at it, I said "My husband should drive it too, since I am the only one that has driven it."
The guy says "Then you two just take it out, then you can talk." Well, gee whiz, at the Toyota dealer we couldn't even both sit in the front when we test drove it, the sales man HAS to sit in one of the front seats AND he had to drive the car off the lot.
We said "how about we take it home and get the kids?" He was fine with that as long as we are back by 5:30. So off we went.
We got home and showed it to our neighbor who is a car guy. We asked if you had to pick Toyota on Honda which would you pick? He first said they are both the same, then he said "I would pick the Honda, they do a little bit better, Toyota is getting too big and they are loosing quality."
So on the way back we decide that as long as we can get the 2.9% and get the roof rack and gap insurance for $540 a month we will take it. That is a better deal than the Toyota. Well they took it!
We signed the papers and we are now proud owners of a 2008 Honda Odessey, with Free car washes for life (I kid you not, my Saturn van hasn't been washed in a year because of the drought), we go back to get the roof rack today.
We ended up rolling out negative equity into the Honda. We feel as though we were stuck. Either keep them Saturn Relay and have to put over $1500 in it this year. It will need a break job, tune up, windshield fixed, and to fix a dial it will cost $500. Then not included in that $1500- there is something wrong with the engine and transmission. It car won't start every time when you turn the key, and when I stop and put it in park it will lunge when I put it in drive sometimes. The power slide door doesn't shut all the way and from the day we got the van the other sliding door has to really be slammed hard to shut all the way. My 8yr old can not shut the door himself and my 13 yr old has to do it 2 times usually. Also the DVD skips after about 1 hour into a movie. Now we have a van that shouldn't need ANYTHING done to it other than oil change every 7000-10000 miles and a tune up that isn't scheduled until over 100,000 miles. We will be upside down until probably year 3 of this van, and by then I will probably want a new one anyway since one kid should be on his own by then-or at the very least have a job and have a life and won't want to spend 24/7 with us like he does now.
So in a last ditch effort to let him know we were willing to look elsewhere I said "Lets go see what we can find elsewhere."
And this guy said -I kid you not-"I dare you to find a better price. You won't find it. I tell you what, If you find a better deal you better take it, but you won't."
So we said "OK, then we will probably be back later."
When we were getting in to our Van, our salesman came out (salesman tells you about the car, manager does all money things). HE said "so what is the deal?" This guy has been really nice. Taken us for 2 test drives been very helpful and basically did all the work in the SELLING of the vehicle, but the other guy is the one that talks money. We told him we were going up the road to the Honda dealer. He tried to "forewarn" us, they will be more expensive, and they won't budge as much on their price....
I told him, that we never even looked at the Odessey, and that we really should just look to make sure since we never really shopped beyond GM for our current minivan, and are now majorly paying the price.
We went up the road .5 miles to the Honda dealer. I had already looked on line (specifically at this dealer for prices they don't list prices on line) and I ended up looking at Honda's website where they list MSRPs.
Honda vans are very similar. We weren't attached to Toyota so it really didn't matter to us. The MSRP is about the same as the Toyota. They didn't open for another hour so we went out to lunch at Friendly's and fought about it. My husband was just insisting we can get more for our trade. I have already been to the Saturn dealer (where it is no haggle pricing) where they would give me $6000 for the van (on a $24988 vehicle) and Toyota (again no haggle pricing) where he would only give us $5000 (on a $20,988 vehicle). We OWE $11213 on our van. SO After a stressful/bickering -lunch at Friendly's we go to the Honda dealer...Take a test drive, the van really is similar in a lot of ways. They do a few things that are standard in it, like Tinted windows which are important to us that Toyota doesn't doesn't do. Though the Toyota did have a roof rack we wanted -the Honda didn't' have. The insides are a little bit different, different consoles, the seats operate different in the 2nd and 3rd row and honestly we liked how the sienna looked in those departments but we also had spent more time in it, but really does it matter? They both had what we wanted, radio, a/c, rear windows that go down, stow n go seating in third row (wow so much more cargo room than my Saturn), same size engines, cruise control, MPG was the same... I liked the Sienna's color better it was a light metallic green, and the Honda was silver-but as long at it isn't white or black I was good. The Honda has a lot more cubby holes. And this really cool cubby hole in the floor between the front and second row of seats, FLOOR MATS INCLUDED, and doc stamps were $399. Also included in the Odessey are daytime running lamps, and security system (all things that discount your insurance). Honda does NOT have no haggle pricing. We drive the Honda. We go inside....
He takes our info and says "I guess you won't tell me what the other place gave you for trade?" uumm, no! And something else he did say "I am probably not going to be able to match their prices, because our vans are better."
Yeah and at Toyota they can give me 20 reasons why theirs are better too. HOWEVER I will say, I did already know that the Honda rated better in the Insurance institutes crash test, Honda was actually #1 in the mini van class, followed by KIA! Not Toyota...Translated-cheaper insurance rates. Anyway he comes back....Here is the FIRST deal he makes -$7000 for our van, $1000 down, FULL MSRP for the minivan that makes it $575 a month. I was honestly surprised about the $7000 for our van. That is quite a bit, since even Kelly blue book says $6000 something for our van since it is only in FAIR condition (a lot of scratches on passangers side on the ENTIRE length of the van! stains inside, AC button broke, crack in windshield, the 2 back seats- the plastic guards are broken/missing, and 71000 miles on a 2005).
Then my husband says "well we owe $11213 on our van so I would like to meet in the middle on that one and we will not be putting a down payment on it, and I needed my monthly payments to be lower."
The guys says "Ok, well how good is your credit?" Which my husband told him it was pretty good. So he says "Well I can probably do 2.9% financing, and that will get your monthly payments a lot lower." And he did get them down to $540 a month. The Toyota dealer, using our financing was only at $555.
We go back out to the van to look at it, I said "My husband should drive it too, since I am the only one that has driven it."
The guy says "Then you two just take it out, then you can talk." Well, gee whiz, at the Toyota dealer we couldn't even both sit in the front when we test drove it, the sales man HAS to sit in one of the front seats AND he had to drive the car off the lot.
We said "how about we take it home and get the kids?" He was fine with that as long as we are back by 5:30. So off we went.
We got home and showed it to our neighbor who is a car guy. We asked if you had to pick Toyota on Honda which would you pick? He first said they are both the same, then he said "I would pick the Honda, they do a little bit better, Toyota is getting too big and they are loosing quality."
So on the way back we decide that as long as we can get the 2.9% and get the roof rack and gap insurance for $540 a month we will take it. That is a better deal than the Toyota. Well they took it!
We signed the papers and we are now proud owners of a 2008 Honda Odessey, with Free car washes for life (I kid you not, my Saturn van hasn't been washed in a year because of the drought), we go back to get the roof rack today.
We ended up rolling out negative equity into the Honda. We feel as though we were stuck. Either keep them Saturn Relay and have to put over $1500 in it this year. It will need a break job, tune up, windshield fixed, and to fix a dial it will cost $500. Then not included in that $1500- there is something wrong with the engine and transmission. It car won't start every time when you turn the key, and when I stop and put it in park it will lunge when I put it in drive sometimes. The power slide door doesn't shut all the way and from the day we got the van the other sliding door has to really be slammed hard to shut all the way. My 8yr old can not shut the door himself and my 13 yr old has to do it 2 times usually. Also the DVD skips after about 1 hour into a movie. Now we have a van that shouldn't need ANYTHING done to it other than oil change every 7000-10000 miles and a tune up that isn't scheduled until over 100,000 miles. We will be upside down until probably year 3 of this van, and by then I will probably want a new one anyway since one kid should be on his own by then-or at the very least have a job and have a life and won't want to spend 24/7 with us like he does now.
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Oh, I'm an Aunt again! Congrats on the new van. I'm definitely going to need your help when I'm looking for a new car....
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